Forums - GUILE - the most perfected Street Fighter ever Show all 34 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Fighting Game Discussion (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8) -- GUILE - the most perfected Street Fighter ever (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1339) Posted by Agent Guile on 03:16:2001 05:08 AM: I’m just wondering, how come Chun-Li gets every revamp imaginable for every game she appears in and still be unable to kick anyone’s butt? On the other hand, there’s a character named Guile who hasn’t got any new moves for the past eternity and still able to kick everyone’s butt with a great deal of efficiency. In fact, his transition from SF2 to SFA3 is none. All his moves in SFA3 are redrawn animations in SF2. I’m thinking, is Guile the most effective character that Capcom created. OK, I should be hearing opposition from shoto fans right now. Come to think of it, Guile has a potential to be the number one (if he’s not the number one already) character in CVS. But Capcom toned him down. Or what I mean is, Capcom didn’t maximize Guile to his full potential in CVS. I’ll list some reasons: 1. Sonic Hurricane wasn’t included – It would be nice if you can chain a sonic hurricane right after a total wipeout, which would be a good variation to the already present total wipeout + somersault justice. This would be similar to opening gambit+somersault justice and opening gambit+mega sonic boom in SFEX2. 2. Guile has no overhead. He already has it in SFEX and SFA3 (sobat kick). How come the sobat kick isn’t overhead in CVS? 3. Wrong selection of moves. If Capcom used his jumping forward kick in SFA3 as his jumping low kick in CVS, then he should have the best arsenal of jump ins in CVS. Instead, we have to get satisfied with the jumping knee instead. http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) Posted by SHuMA-GOWRATH on 03:16:2001 06:23 AM: it doesn't matter, its the person behind the controls, plus the animation for chun-li can be changed sooo many times, because she really doesn't have a particular style, like the shotos or..........guile, you just can't change his animation that much, the best they could do was charlie and remy...sorry http://www.crosswinds.net/~uxc/prof/wolv2.jpg Posted by AKUMA2000 on 03:16:2001 06:48 AM: LOL....I disagree, Shin Akuma is the perfected character and many will say he's cheap & chessy but that doesn't matter to me cuz those words disappear on the battlefield, but he still kicks azz with his speed, juggling & combo ability, and the unblockable raging demon.....before Shin Akuma came along, Guile was da man always "throwing" taking off a big chunk of your health meter and "sonic booming" & "flash kicking" you to death. AKUMA'S LAIR http://members.tripod.com/~Streetfighter_3/akuma-stance-2.gif "On The Battlefield...It's All About Survival" Posted by Cletus Kasady on 03:16:2001 06:49 AM: An overhead that quick and with that much range and priority (T.Short, which is his Sobat, is hella fast)? That'd make Guile WAY too good. He wouldn't just be co-demigod with Nakoruru, he would be unmistakably the greatest in the game ahead of everyone else. Oh, and Chun Li was the best or darn close in SFA2 and SF3:3S. Both games in which the Guile clones were mediocre or worse. - Cletus Kasady Posted by Truedragon on 03:16:2001 07:21 AM: Guile's great. I do have to disagree about Chun Li I think she is very good in CvsS maybe not top, but still very good. Guile on the other hand has been good in every single game I can think of except for MvsC2. BTW many experts consider Guile tops with Nak in CvsS. Posted by VietLoc on 03:16:2001 08:00 AM: why would you want his jumping forawrd kick? sure its cool but the knee in cvs is already too good. what makes you think the forward would be better? Posted by HyperBomber on 03:16:2001 08:18 AM: quote: Originally posted by AKUMA2000: LOL....I disagree, Shin Akuma is the perfected character and many will say he's cheap & chessy but that doesn't matter to me cuz those words disappear on the battlefield, but he still kicks azz with his speed, juggling & combo ability, and the unblockable raging demon..... I don't consider Shin Akuma cheap or cheesy, I simply think that if all the characters were given a double projectile, excessive speed&power, and juggling ability ad naseum then all the other characters would be perfected, too. The fact is that Capcom could have juiced any of the characters up in similar fashion and gotten almost the same results. Akuma from Super SF2 is still the best in my book. http://www.crosswinds.net/~akuma13/Animted_GIFs/sfalpha2/sagat-start%20with%20dans%20dad.gif "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!" Posted by darkmanzero on 03:16:2001 11:27 AM: Arguing about whether Guile is stronger than the supreme demon devil gouki shin Akuma killer of The ultimate fist Gouken and master of the murder vibration of evil intent overflowing with satsu no hado is like wondering whether kintaro is stronger than liu kang in mortal Krapbat. In short: Capcom wanted a boss character, so they purposefully overpowered him. Shin Akuma is a boss, so I don't think it's fair to compare him to Guile. I'm a Chunli player and I don't use Guile much, but I concede that he's deadly....in my opinion, he was the result of a load of design flaws by Cap in SF2 otherwise they wouldn't be so keen on weakening him. As for Chunchun, she has changed the most of any SF xter (every new game it's like I'm learning a new xter) but that doesn't make her crap.Just like Kasady said, she was the best in SFA2, and not so bad in SSF2X either (I routinely murder Akuma players with her...delayed SRK's are AWESOME!!!) Posted by CykoClops on 03:16:2001 12:01 PM: guile sux Posted by Agent Guile on 03:16:2001 12:10 PM: quote: Originally posted by darkmanzero: Arguing about whether Guile is stronger than the supreme demon devil gouki shin Akuma killer of The ultimate fist Gouken and master of the murder vibration of evil intent overflowing with satsu no hado is like wondering whether kintaro is stronger than liu kang in mortal Krapbat. In short: Capcom wanted a boss character, so they purposefully overpowered him. Shin Akuma is a boss, so I don't think it's fair to compare him to Guile. I'm a Chunli player and I don't use Guile much, but I concede that he's deadly....in my opinion, he was the result of a load of design flaws by Cap in SF2 otherwise they wouldn't be so keen on weakening him. As for Chunchun, she has changed the most of any SF xter (every new game it's like I'm learning a new xter) but that doesn't make her crap.Just like Kasady said, she was the best in SFA2, and not so bad in SSF2X either (I routinely murder Akuma players with her...delayed SRK's are AWESOME!!!) Of course Guile wouldn't beat Akuma storywise. I'm talking about the game here, not the story. And to Psycho Cyclops, I don't give a damn about your post. Seriously speaking though, are you a fan of Cyke from the comic book or from the Marvel vs games? http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) Posted by Bezerka on 03:16:2001 12:28 PM: Yep i'd have to agree that Guile's the best charater in CvS. But the resason they change charaters is cause they are either to good or to crap, like the shoto's fireballs and dragon punches being to good in sf2. The reason Guile hasn't changed at all since sf2 isn't cause hes really good, its cause hes perfectly balanced. Posted by BloodRiotIori on 03:16:2001 07:01 PM: quote: Originally posted by Agent Guile: I’m just wondering, how come Chun-Li gets every revamp imaginable for every game she appears in and still be unable to kick anyone’s butt? On the other hand, there’s a character named Guile who hasn’t got any new moves for the past eternity and still able to kick everyone’s butt with a great deal of efficiency. In fact, his transition from SF2 to SFA3 is none. All his moves in SFA3 are redrawn animations in SF2. I’m thinking, is Guile the most effective character that Capcom created. OK, I should be hearing opposition from shoto fans right now. Come to think of it, Guile has a potential to be the number one (if he’s not the number one already) character in CVS. But Capcom toned him down. Or what I mean is, Capcom didn’t maximize Guile to his full potential in CVS. I’ll list some reasons: 1. Sonic Hurricane wasn’t included – It would be nice if you can chain a sonic hurricane right after a total wipeout, which would be a good variation to the already present total wipeout + somersault justice. This would be similar to opening gambit+somersault justice and opening gambit+mega sonic boom in SFEX2. 2. Guile has no overhead. He already has it in SFEX and SFA3 (sobat kick). How come the sobat kick isn’t overhead in CVS? 3. Wrong selection of moves. If Capcom used his jumping forward kick in SFA3 as his jumping low kick in CVS, then he should have the best arsenal of jump ins in CVS. Instead, we have to get satisfied with the jumping knee instead. <IMG SRC="http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif"> GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) you really love yourself, don't you?? Hey kyo, shut your mouth Posted by Psycho Soldier on 03:16:2001 07:04 PM: Guile has always been the "perfect" fighter (IMO). Notice how in every game he has been added to (minus the Vs. series), he has always appeared in or near the top in rankings and in tournament play... that goes beyond the fact that they have never really given him any new attacks in his arsenal. This is one instance where Capcom made a great character once and never had to really give him any revisions. The only thing missing from Guile's arsenal is an overhead punch or kick, similar to Ryu or Ken. Then, he would practically be unbeatable. But... by this time he is very predictable. So many players use Guile that you can pretty much figure out what the average to above-average player is going to do next. That's the only reason why most people these days lose with Guile (if they lose at all). Posted by SithKilla on 03:16:2001 08:15 PM: Guile used to be number one because capcom didn't think the sonic boom was going to be that useful. They didn't realize how easy it was to do serious damage following up the boom. But all in all yes he has always been a very good balanced character and his moves are very effective. I have one question though. How did dhalsim become a top tier character in old school SF? He went from like last to first. [This message has been edited by SithKilla (edited 03-16-2001).] Posted by DJ SKILLZ on 03:16:2001 09:15 PM: I think what made Dhalsim an effective character, was when you were able to control when you wanted to do the spear attacks. Because in SF2 you had wait until the peak of his jump to do it, I'm not sure what game actually introduced this though. Posted by darkmanzero on 03:16:2001 09:23 PM: quote: Originally posted by Agent Guile: Of course Guile wouldn't beat Akuma storywise. I'm talking about the game here, not the story. Same here. Read my post properly: I said Cap purposefully overpowered shin gouki to be consistent with the story. Shin Gouki IS stronger than Guile in the game. Sorry, but it's true...I know how much you like Guile but you just have to live with it. Oh, and DJ SKILLZ, they introduced the any-height yoga drill in SF2':CE though in my opinion Dhalsim didn't begin to rock until turbo. Posted by DJ SKILLZ on 03:16:2001 09:38 PM: I'm not sure about this, but isn't SF2Turbo when Dhalsim's teleport was introduced? If so, then I agree with what you said. Don't know if thats what you were referring to, but it seems logical to me. Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer. Posted by darkmanzero on 03:16:2001 09:55 PM: Yep, that's right. Minus the teleport, Dhalsim is nothing great. They did intorduce the teleport in turbo, also. Posted by ryutru on 03:17:2001 01:17 AM: i have to agree with you guys. about guile. he is not all that in MvC 2 Posted by Agent Guile on 03:17:2001 04:33 AM: quote: Originally posted by BloodRiotIori: you really love yourself, don't you?? Hey kyo, shut your mouth DUH! http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) Posted by manny on 03:17:2001 06:37 AM: Guile really lacks any good specials or supers. And in third strike Chun-Li kicked ass. And in his normal incarnations his supers suck too. Posted by AKUMA2000 on 03:17:2001 08:23 AM: quote: DJ SKILLZ:I'm not sure about this, but isn't SF2Turbo when Dhalsim's teleport was introduced It was SF2T, but the motion for it was hard as hell...lol Posted by Devil Lee on 03:17:2001 10:33 AM: quote: manny: Guile really lacks any good specials or supers. And in third strike Chun-Li kicked ass. And in his normal incarnations his supers suck too. Sonic Boom and Somersault Kick are probably among the best two specials in ANY game, considering the Boom's slow speed, and the Kick's invincibility at startup. Posted by GoldenVulf on 03:17:2001 11:31 AM: Ken kills Guile dead. Every game, all the time. Oh it's sad what they've done to him, CATS: ALL YOUR BASE ARE NO LONGER BELONG TO US. WE CONCEDE TO YOU. IT WAS US WHO SET UP YOU THE BOMB. I SORRY. YOU HAVE GOOD CHANCE FOR SURVIVAL. WE MAKE YOUR TIME FOR YOU. Posted by darkmanzero on 03:17:2001 11:43 AM: Oh my god a shoto. Ken kills Guile? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAAH AAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH AAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH oh... OH... HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAH LOL Worra jOWKE!!!! Posted by GoldenVulf on 03:17:2001 12:14 PM: Guile is old and getting on in years. In Snk vs Capcom, Ken+Guile=DEAD Guile Posted by GoldenVulf on 03:17:2001 12:15 PM: And as for MvsC2, GuileSonicKaboomy + KennyBoyShoryureppa = Very DEAD guile. It's simple math. t3h [337 GoldenVulf ownz j00!! Posted by Agent Guile on 03:18:2001 03:36 PM: *bump* http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) Posted by Agent Guile on 03:18:2001 03:46 PM: quote: Originally posted by GoldenVulf: And as for MvsC2, GuileSonicKaboomy + KennyBoyShoryureppa = Very DEAD guile. It's simple math. t3h [337 GoldenVulf ownz j00!! Your math is wrong Guile owns Ken in MvsC2 Sonic Hurricane vs. Ken's lousy fireballs in the vs Games = Obliterated Ken! And look at my signature http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) Posted by dragonfist on 03:19:2001 08:20 AM: ok lets get this straight a)Ken is not "all that" and then some. An experinced Guile would murder a amaetur ken in CvsS any day. It all depends on whos playing these two b)I am neutral in this subject but ken does not own guile nor vice versa GV you need math tutoring Posted by Agent Guile on 03:19:2001 08:51 AM: quote: Originally posted by dragonfist: ok lets get this straight a)Ken is not "all that" and then some. An experinced Guile would murder a amaetur ken in CvsS any day. It all depends on whos playing these two b)I am neutral in this subject but ken does not own guile nor vice versa GV you need math tutoring Yup! GV needs some heavy math tutorial! LOL! http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) Posted by ReCharredSigh on 03:19:2001 11:03 AM: reason why guile's so good is that they balanced his fast startup and recovering sonic boom with the fact that you need to charge, so a turtling guile is pretty much a giveaway that he's charging for a sonic boom. and his flash kick has priority rivaling the dragon punch with more range, so again, set back with a charge. so i agree with whoever said that guile isn't overpowered but extremely balanced. he is not extremely strong nor extremely fast. you can kinda argue this for ryu too, as ryu is not overpowered but extremely balanced too. cvs match of ken vs. guile, well, depends who's pressuring who, that's all i have to say about that. "I need a little room to pray cause I'm one step closer to the edge, and I'm about to break!!!!" -Linkin Park Posted by State of Nature on 03:19:2001 11:21 AM: You can't have this sort of discussion without specifying what game you are referring to. Guile is arguably the best fighter in SF:WW because he has a redizzy,can store a flashkick by using a glitch, and can use his slow boom and good ticking to tick throw people very easily. In CvS his charging has very little to do with why he is good. The argument of him being balanced because he needs to charge doesn't hold here anyway, because of rolls, which allow Guile to move while charging, masking his charges. Guile's good in CvS because of his long reach in footsies, and excellent footsie moves, combined with some good traps. In MvC2 Guile blows. He's down there with Gief, though not as bad. He has no trap breakers, no teleport, no airdash, no beam, nothing. His AAA is decent at best, but there are way better ones. He has no chipping ability, and his DHCs aren't that great. He can combo supers easily, but so can other better characters, and other characters can run from Guile so he can't use them. Other characters have more setups for supers too. Posted by Agent Guile on 03:20:2001 05:07 AM: *bump* http://www.toonapalooza.net/guilepalooza/SFA3GuileGifs/Guile_win_tagshine.gif GUILE - The only Street Fighter who was able to kick Ryu and Ken's butt and live to tell about it. (SF2V ep. 2) All times are GMT. The time now is 10:34 PM. Show all 34 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.